Curse

Lu Cheng Ying · Aug 26, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Neo-LD

All strats are/were beatable, but if you deny that spirit groups were overpowered, unskilled, and took the fun out of the game, then you are just stupid. Spirit groups were the #1 worst thing to happen to guild wars pvp. This patch has breathed life back into a game that would otherwise have died. Now people can actually use most of the skills in this game, instead of just 25% of them. Now pvp is open and frzntic, not the monotonous, boring, retarded gameplay that spirits lead to.

They were overpowered. They took the fun out of the game. It was 1 strategy that morons could use to completely pwn 95% of all other strategies. Spirit Spam is quite simply indefensible. As far as I know you are the only person who is unhappy that spirits are fair again. You are leaving? Good riddance. You are one of few. Thousands of gamers who left will come back.

Obviously if you hadn't been able to defeat sprits team then you are the one that is incompetence.

Why are you flaming him? Has he personally harmed or disparaged you? (And, yes, I'm flaming you because you built the fire!)

Just so you know, Spirit teams do not pwn 95% of the time. They only pwn noobs and morons.

My point is not much about spirit team or spike team, it's about NCSoft/A.Net's continual meddling. These morons need to draw a line for themselves and STOP!

This meddling is a vicious cycle. It angers people. Remember the stupid PC design has existed since the early 80s. We're still limited to 16 IRQs for devices, yet the powers the be hasn't force a design change.

My point being is, innovative individuals will always find a "best" way to do things. Don't go nerfing these innovations. (As for the ways around the stupid PC design, the core still exists, but we have DMA, XMS, etc...to get around).

NCSoft needs to stop trying to play the game for us. Us let decide how we should play.

So what if the Ranger's NR pwns, be a fricken Ranger! What's to stop you from being one if you can't beat it? If you personally decide against it, that's your loss and fault, not the person playing as a Ranger!

So what if an area drops too many good items? NCSoft needs to stay off it. If you're too stupid to farm in the area, it's your loss and fault, not those that take advantage of it.

Everything has an equilibrium. We just need to be adult about these things and NCSoft needs to stop being a moronic meddling parent or everyone will be pissed off and leave. (I'm damned close to an uninstall myself.)

There are so many other games out there....Everquest, WoW, FFXI or even trust CS!

DrSLUGFly · Aug 26, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Lu Cheng Ying

This meddling is a vicious cycle. It angers people.

and drives away the "undesirable elements"

Lu Cheng Ying · Aug 26, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly

and drives away the "undesirable elements"

Unfortunately, as in real life, the "undesirables" are the ones providing most of the entertainment.

With just the "angelic", you'll have utopia and utopia is a fricken boring place!

Flame · Aug 26, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Unless your build is specifically designed to combat spirit spam, you will have trouble beating it. It is a build that does not require any real strategy, beyond "Everyone spam spirits". Even better-organized teams may lose, because it is hard to call and hit targets when there are dozens are spirits everywhere.

ArenaNet should take a less active role and let some of these things work themselves out, but when it reaches the point that the only builds are either one type or a way to combat that type, intervention is required. However, I do not think they should be punishing groups for developing a powerful strategy.

Just because spirit spam is nerfed, does not mean rangers are. A good ranger can easily take out Warriors easily, and cause massive damage to casters.

Neo-LD · Aug 26, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

My point was not that spirits were invincible. My point was that in order to beat them you had to use a VERY specific build. Every team down in tombs was either spirit or anti-spirit. Like I said, 95% of the otherwise viable strategies in the game were left out to dry. No strategy should be able to single handedly destroy so many other strategies, particularly if its such an unskilled strategy as spirits were.

This change is nothing but a good thing. Anyone who defends spirits is an enemy to guild wars.

By the way, rangers still have better damage than eles and disruption that rivals mesmers, and degen that surpasses necros. Rangers still rock.

Lu Cheng Ying · Aug 26, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Have you guys checked the game lately? Since the latest update, A.Net lost more than 50% of it's users.

Lion's Arch used to have up to 20 districts, now less than 10 districts.

It's pretty much the same at Ascalon, too--going from 30+ districts to just under 10.

NCSoft/A.Net needs to let people play the game and make the decisions for themselves.

And players need to be more mature. If you can't beat a certain class/strategy,yet, you're stubborn and refuse to use it, that's your own damned fault. Don't whine to A.Net!

A.Net/NCSoft, stop playing this damned game for us!

DrSLUGFly · Aug 26, 2005, 03:28 PM // 15:28

erm... they updated today didn't they? And doesn't it stand to reason that a great many players would be doing PvP now? Perhaps not the full-on PvE enthusiasts but certainly those who are half and half.

Neo-LD · Aug 26, 2005, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Lu Cheng Ying

Have you guys checked the game lately? Since the latest update, A.Net lost more than 50% of it's users.

Lion's Arch used to have up to 20 districts, now less than 10 districts.

It's pretty much the same at Ascalon, too--going from 30+ districts to just under 10.

NCSoft/A.Net needs to let people play the game and make the decisions for themselves.

And players need to be more mature. If you can't beat a certain class/strategy,yet, you're stubborn and refuse to use it, that's your own damned fault. Don't whine to A.Net!

A.Net/NCSoft, stop playing this damned game for us!

So wait, ANET was losing players daily, the entire community was collectively screaming to save their game, and several obvious flaws in pvp pve were apparent. And you want ANET to just stand by while their game dies?

Because 50% of players have left, what does that tell you? The current version of the game was bad and NEEDED to be fixed. Leaving it alone made absolutely no sense.

Cameela · Aug 26, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Its friday midday EST. Makes sense to me that not many people would be playing the game at this time....

Lu Cheng Ying · Aug 26, 2005, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Neo-LD

So wait, ANET was losing players daily, the entire community was collectively screaming to save their game, and several obvious flaws in pvp pve were apparent. And you want ANET to just stand by while their game dies?

Because 50% of players have left, what does that tell you? The current version of the game was bad and NEEDED to be fixed. Leaving it alone made absolutely no sense.

People leave because of of their continual meddling. They're not making the game better, they're dictating and forcing change of habits. This angers people and they leave.

This game is already lame by itself. The nerfing of potential farm areas pretty much sealed the fate of this game for hardcore players.

When hardcore leaves, A.Net will have a harder time repopulating with noobs.

My point being is they need to retain what players they have while incrementally gaining more.

Continual meddling will only drive away larger numbers while attracting less.

Without the interests of long time players, the game will just die.

Again, A.Net/NCSoft need to stop playing the game for people. They need let people play the game. There will always be whiners. The whiners are usually never the good players anyway.

As you all know, I'm not defending one or the other. All I've been saying is that A.Net/NCSoft meddles too much with the game and this is causing a lot of people to be very upset!

Blue Steel · Aug 26, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Neo-LD

My point was not that spirits were invincible. My point was that in order to beat them you had to use a VERY specific build. Every team down in tombs was either spirit or anti-spirit. Like I said, 95% of the otherwise viable strategies in the game were left out to dry. No strategy should be able to single handedly destroy so many other strategies, particularly if its such an unskilled strategy as spirits were.

This change is nothing but a good thing. Anyone who defends spirits is an enemy to guild wars.

By the way, rangers still have better damage than eles and disruption that rivals mesmers, and degen that surpasses necros. Rangers still rock.

Well said.

Lu Cheng Ying · Aug 26, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by Cameela

Its friday midday EST. Makes sense to me that not many people would be playing the game at this time....

Totally disagree. Must gamers have no life. So it doesn't matter whether is X-mas eve or the day that Christ returns

It is still a major drop in the gaming population. I bet most Rangers and Monks stayed away.

I certainly did! (I'm here ranting <g>) (And, no, I don't play as a ranger, but I do play as a monk!)

After I'm done ranting, I'll go back to Mu, which I left for GW. But it's time to get back to Mu and CS, again. At least these host don't dictate so much how I should play!

Loviatar · Aug 26, 2005, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Dan Mega

I Anet nerfed Rangers (again) to accomodate the carebears.

in case you were missing a few cards in your deck it was the elite pvp crowd yelling and the so called *carebears* had nothing to do with it.

they do make a handy whipping boy for anything that you dont like though.

an overpowered skill is nerfed at the request of the supermajority of PVP players and you quit the game

Aniewiel · Aug 26, 2005, 03:55 PM // 15:55

1. School has started again for a lot of people so fewer will be on during the daylight US hours.

2. The fixes were good things to combat single team builds and actually encourage "thinking outside the box".

3. This is not a rant forum, it is a suggestion forum.

4. Thank you all for your input.

5. /Closed